Waar blijft het debat?

[Henk Elegeert]

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> Na meer dan tien dagen bommen op Afghanistan heb ik de volgende waarnemingen:

Eerst dan maar wat gegevens op een rijtje:

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/index.cfm?docid=5392

"
Remarks with President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan

     Secretary Colin L. Powell
     Islamabad, Pakistan
     October 16, 2001

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: (In Arabic: In the name of God most merciful
and compassionate). Ladies and gentlemen, I welcome you to this press
conference. Let me say that we have had very useful discussions. The
visit of the United States Secretary of State comes at a time of great
challenge for Pakistan. His presence here symbolizes the new,
rejuvenated relationship between Pakistan and the United States. We
discussed a whole range of bilateral issues. The two sides agreed to
work together in order to develop and strengthen cooperation in all
possible areas.

     The terrorist outrage in New York and Washington on 11th September
was rightly condemned by the whole world community. The government and
people of Pakistan spontaneously expressed shock and grief over the
death of innocent people, offered condolences to the bereaved families
all over the world, and affirmed solidarity with the American people. We
joined the world community in offering cooperation to bring
perpetrators, organizers, and the sponsors of the terrorist attacks to
justice.

     Compliance with the relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions by the Taliban government would have saved Afghanistan from
the damage it is suffering since 7th of October. We grieve for the
innocent victims in Afghanistan. We regret that the Government of
Afghanistan jeopardized the interests of millions of its own people.

     Our decision to support the international campaign against
terrorism in all its manifestations is based on principles. The
extraordinary session of the OIC, the Organization of the Islamic
Conference, Foreign Ministers held on the 10th of October has endorsed
this position taken by Pakistan. It has also denounced the minority and
fringe voices that tried to cause harm to Islam and the Muslims.

     I emphasized to the Secretary that the root causes of most acts of
terrorism lie in political oppression and denial of justice. In order to
achieve durable peace or durable results, the current war on terrorism
must address and eliminate its root causes. The situation in Afghanistan
presents a challenge as well as an opportunity. We should focus not only
on combating terrorism, but also on helping the Afghans establish a
durable political system and the rehabilitation and reconstruction of
their country. We agreed that durable peace in Afghanistan would only be
possible through the establishment of a broad-based multi-ethnic
government representing the demographic contours of Afghanistan freely
chosen by the Afghans without outside interference. Former King Zahir
Shah, political leaders, moderate Taliban leaders, elements from the
Northern Alliance, tribal elders, Afghans living outside their country,
all can play a role in this regard.

     The political process needs to be placed on a fast track in order
to forestall the possibility of a political vacuum. It should not lag
behind the fast-moving events in the military field nor should any
attempt be made by any warring faction to impose itself on Afghanistan
in the wake of the military strikes against the Taliban. The success of
any political process will also depend on the economic conditions.
Afghanistan has been destroyed by over two decades of conflict. The
socio-economic infrastructure has been devastated. Agriculture is in
ruins. Pastures have been destroyed. Millions of mines litter the
landscape. A massive reconstruction effort is required to revive the
economy.

     Assistance would also be required for the repatriation of the
millions of Afghan refugees in Pakistan and Iran and for the millions of
Afghans displaced internally due to fighting, drought, and economic
difficulties. A durable political settlement, economic reconstruction,
and return of Afghans to their country would also eliminate the
terrorists who have found safe havens in a war-torn Afghanistan. This is
why I believe that the military campaign in Afghanistan should be short
and targeted and it should be followed immediately by application of
viable political and economic strategies.

     I briefed Secretary Powell about Pakistan's desire to develop
tension-free relations with India. I emphasized that normalization of
relations would require that the Kashmir dispute is resolved in
accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people. Kashmir remains at
the heart of Pakistan-India tension. We agreed on the need for the two
sides to address this and other bilateral issues with sincerity and with
a sense of purpose.

     Secretary Powell informed me about US willingness to play a helpful
role in the resolution of Pakistan-India differences. We agreed that
peace and stability in South Asia is not only in the interest of
Pakistan and India but also of the entire region and the world at large.

     In the end, I would like to say that we have ushered in an era of
closer bilateral relations between Pakistan and the United States.
     Thank you very much.

     SECRETARY POWELL: Thank you very much, Mr. President. Good
afternoon ladies and gentlemen, I am delighted to be here in Pakistan
and I've had very excellent discussions with the President and his
cabinet and other colleagues in the course of the morning and our
discussions will continue into the afternoon. President Bush asked me to
come to Pakistan to demonstrate our enduring commitment to our
relationship with Pakistan. We are focusing today on the terrorist
threat emanating from Afghanistan, the al-Qaida organization and Usama
bin Laden. But we didn't stop there. We are also looking forward to
strengthening our cooperation on a full range of bilateral and regional
issues. And I made the point to the President that this isn't just a
temporary spike in our relationship, but we believe, as a result of the
actions taken by Pakistan over the last five weeks, we're truly at the
beginning of a strengthened relationship, a relationship that will grow
and thrive in the months and years ahead.

     We have had good talks today on how to build on our current,
excellent cooperation against international terrorism. The United States
views that what we are building here is, as I just said, is a solid
foundation for a long-term and improved relationship. I expressed our
thanks to President Musharraf for his bold and courageous actions as
part of the global coalition against international terrorism. I also
expressed our condolences for the many Pakistanis who were lost in the
attacks on September 11.
     It reminds us once again that this attack in New York and the
attacks in Washington and what happened in Pennsylvania, but especially
in New York, was an attack against the civilized world. Some 80 nations
lost citizens in that attack and we must always keep that uppermost in
mind. I expressed our thanks to President Musharraf for coming forward
so quickly and recognizing that the attacks of September 11 may have
taken place on American soil, but they were in fact attacks on Pakistan
as well as all members of the civilized world.

     As we met today in Pakistan--a great Muslim nation--I reiterated
that we have no quarrel with the Islamic faith or the Afghan people. Our
campaign is against those who pervert a great religion in the service of
evil. We also discussed how to ease the plight of the Afghan refugees
who are fleeing Taliban misrule. Pakistan has played a leading role in
receiving and caring for Afghan refugees for many, many years and the
United States has been the largest foreign donor of humanitarian aid.
Even today as part of our military campaign, U.S. planes have been
dropping badly needed food supplies to the Afghan people.

     We also discussed, as the President noted, our mutual interest in a
stable Afghanistan. I shared with him and he shared with me our thoughts
on how to begin the process of rebuilding Afghanistan even as the
military element of our strategy continues and how to help the people of
that country establish a stable broad-based government, one that does
not harbor terrorists and one that welcomes refugees instead of
producing them. I also reassured Pakistan of America's support and the
support of the international community as Pakistan joins the
international community in this campaign.

     For example, President Bush has lifted a number of sanctions to
allow us to resume cooperation with Pakistan. We have also helped
reschedule 379 million dollars in Pakistan's bilateral debt and voted
for new IMF loans. We had a very straightforward discussion on the debt
problem that is facing Pakistan and I have told the President that I
would take his strong message of what needs to be done back to my
colleagues in Washington and do everything we can to address the debt
issue with rescheduling, with respect to other activities that we can
take that will help Pakistan in this time of need.

     Finally, we discussed ways to promote stability in South Asia,
which we all know is a critically important part of the world. I praised
President Musharraf's recent phone call to Prime Minister Vajpayee and
we, too, believe that the Kashmir issue is central to the relationship
and can be resolved if all parties engaged with a willingness to address
their concerns in mutually acceptable ways.
     Issues must be resolved through peaceful, political and diplomatic
means, not through violence and reliance on force, but with a determined
respect for human rights. The campaign against al-Qaida and Usama bin
Laden and those who harbor them is our top priority. This is what
brought me here today. But I am also confident that over time we will be
able to expand our cooperation to accomplish the full range of bilateral
and multilateral issues that are of importance to both of our nations.

     President Musharraf's commitment to return Pakistan to democracy
will enhance his effort to deepen social reform, improve education, and
improve the lives of his people. We share those important and lofty
goals and in the coming months the United States will take concrete
steps to strengthen Pakistan's economy and further broaden our
commercial and trade ties. Together we can accomplish great things and
the American people look forward to the challenge of working with the
people of Pakistan in those goal achievements. And I'll be happy along
with the President to take a few questions.

     QUESTION: I am Saleh Zaafir, I am editor for special reporting,
Jang. While condemning terrorism of September 11 and expressing
heartfelt sympathies with your great country, I wish to know your views
about the struggle of the oppressed people granted by the United Nations
Security Council against oppressive regimes which is fairly and sternly
still engaged in state terrorism. How would you differentiate such
legitimate movements with terrorism? My clear reference is toward
dispute of Kashmir, and will you impress upon India to refrain from
state terrorism towards the Kashmiri people? Thank you.

     SECRETARY POWELL: In my conversations both here and my
conversations in India, I will press upon both sides as I have here
already today and it isn't a matter of pressing, we have a mutual view
on this, that dialogue between the two sides is important, that
terrorism has no place in the civilized world and I have expressed my
thanks to the President for his condemnation of terrorism with the kind
that we saw in Srinagar on the 1st of October. Mutual respect for each
other, a desire to accommodate the aspirations of the Kashmiri people
and respect for avoiding confrontation and understanding that
provocation is to be avoided.
     But above all, the beginning of a dialogue between the two sides is
the most important thing that is needed now. And that is the message I
will also be taking to India.

     QUESTION: Could you please clarify the situation of . . . there
have been a couple of different stories. One is the Taliban’s Foreign
Minister has defected, the second one is that there is an offer on the
table presented by the President last night to you that the Taliban are
prepared to hand over Usama bin Laden in exchange of two or three days
of halting of the bombardment. Can you tell us if there is any other
offer on the table that could resolve this?

     SECRETARY POWELL: The President did not say that to me last night.
And with respect to where the foreign minister is, I cannot confirm
where he is.

     QUESTION: Secretary Powell, what assurances were you able to offer
President Musharraf that any post-Taliban government in Afghanistan
would be one that is friendly to Pakistan and did you meet with the
representatives who are here representing Zahir Shah in the meeting with
the Pakistani Government and for President Musharraf, are you prepared
to support a U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan as long as it
lasts--as long as the U.S. believes it needs to last—in other words, is
there a deadline that’s in your mind for such a campaign?

     SECRETARY POWELL: I did not meet with the representatives of the
King who are here. With respect to your first question, in our
discussions there was no doubt that both our common goal of seeing that
the post-Taliban government in Kabul would be one that represented all
the people of Afghanistan and would be a regime that would obviously be
friendly to all of its neighbors, to include Pakistan. That has to be
one of our goals, otherwise we are just creating a new situation of
instability and potential violence.

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: On my part of the question, we have decided to
be with the coalition in the fight against terrorism and whatever
operation is going on in Afghanistan within the parameters—within the
three parameters which have been enunciated--that is, the intelligence
cooperation, use of air space and logistical support. And to this extent
we will certainly carry on cooperating as long as the operation lasts.
There are no deadlines which have been fixed as you’ve indicated, but
one really hopes that the operation is short and obviously the duration
of the operation is relative to the achievement of military objectives,
and therefore one hopes that military objectives are achieved and the
operation is short.

     QUESTION: President Musharraf, may I ask what you mean by "moderate
Taliban." Is there such a thing? Mr. Secretary, does the United States
agree that a moderate Taliban belongs in a new Afghanistan?

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: Certainly there are a lot of moderate
Talibans. Yes, I certainly believe so. Extremism is not in every Taliban
so one could
I wouldn’t like to get into the details of who are
moderates, but one knows for sure there are many moderate elements
within the Taliban community.

     SECRETARY POWELL: The term "Taliban" defines the current regime but
also defines a group of individuals—a group of people.
     And if you got rid of the regime, there would still be those who
might find that the teachings and the feelings and the beliefs of that
movement still very important and to the extent that they are willing to
participate in the development of a new Afghanistan with everybody being
represented, then we would have to listen to them or at least take them
into account. You can’t export them. You can’t send them to another
country. You can’t ethnically cleanse Afghanistan after this is over,
but you can certainly get rid of this particular regime that has driven
this country to such devastation and see whether those who used to be
adherents of such a regime are now willing to participate in a different
kind of government where the rights of all are respected and where it is
accepted by the international community.

     QUESTION: Our president has advised you or given the proposal that
this operation against Afghanistan should be short and should be
target-oriented, and Pakistan has also concerns about Northern Alliance
being included in the broad-based government that you are looking for.
What are your comments on this?

     SECRETARY POWELL: First of all we would like the military campaign
to be as short as possible. We have no desire to extend the campaign
beyond the achievement of its goal. As the President said it has to be
as long as necessary to achieve the military goal.
     With respect to the Northern Alliance, I think we both agree that
all, all elements have to be included in discussions of the future of
Afghanistan that would include the Northern Alliance, and the southern
tribal leaders and all elements. When you say broad based it means all
have to have an opportunity to participate in how Afghanistan will be
governed in the future.

     QUESTION: President Musharraf, your country according to a Gallup
Poll and certainly the symptoms on the street is very much against the
U.S.-led campaign, 87 per cent against the military strikes. How can you
sustain your support if this does become an open-ended commitment and it
is not short and targeted as you, and I'm sure Secretary Powell, would
like it to be? What if it does take a long time as many U.S. military
officials have projected?

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: First of all, I would like to say that the
results of polls ought to be taken with a little bit of pinch of salt
because it depends of how you address the question and you get the
results accordingly. However, having said that, one would like to say,
certainly majority of the people are against the operation in
Afghanistan. They would like to see this operation to be terminated as
fast as possible and that is what I would urge the coalition -- to
achieve the military objectives and terminate the operation. However,
one more factor that needs to be taken into account, the majority of the
people of Pakistan are with my government's action. That also is a
result of the same Gallup Poll that you are talking of. So maybe you
have to analyze both parts and see which one features where. There is a
degree of dichotomy in the results of each question.

     QUESTION: A question for Secretary Powell. You have expressed
thanks for the "bold and courageous actions" as you put it of President
Musharraf, at the same time the United States has frozen the assets of a
major charity, the Rabita charity, and there are hundreds of schools
teaching young boys in this country that Usama bin Laden is a hero. How
can you win a war against terrorism if children and young men are being
taught that Usama bin Laden is a role model?

     SECRETARY POWELL: I think it's false teaching. What kind of a role
model is it to be someone who invades another country, helps destroy it,
uses it for evil purposes and then goes out murders innocent civilians,
claims he is doing that on the basis of his faith that provides for no
such action on the part of anyone. So it is false teaching. I am
confident that as Pakistan moves forward it will put in place an
education system that will teach respect for all faiths, that will be
balanced and will be concerned as much about educating youngsters for a
bright future as it will about teaching them false lessons about evil
people.

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: I would like to chip in with whatever the
Secretary has said, and I totally agree with him. I think these are
extremist views and these are extremist tendencies which are not
wide-based at all in Pakistan, and therefore we need to take deeper
actions, long-term actions to check such extremist views.

     QUESTION: You have spoken a lot about a post-Taliban Afghanistan.
How close do you think the regime is to collapsing?

     SECRETARY POWELL: I don't know, and I think it best not to
speculate. I think the regime is under enormous pressure. Every neighbor
that it has, has turned against it. It is the subject of the efforts of
the entire international community to go after its finances. There is
also a military campaign being directed against it and there are forces
inside the country that are operating against it. So it is under
enormous pressure but I cannot tell you when that pressure will cause it
to collapse. Just can't put a time line on it.

     QUESTION: Do you see any anecdotal evidence about what you are
seeing in Taliban forces?

     SECRETARY POWELL: There is anecdotal evidence that some of the
leaders are defecting and that some of the provinces have shifted
allegiance. But it doesn't yet paint a complete picture that I can have
confidence in.

     QUESTION: President Musharraf, the objective, you have said you
would like to have achieved it quickly to gain what objective?
     You would like the action carried out to be terminated quickly to
gain what objective?

     PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: No, I wouldn't like to get into the details of
the military implementation or the military operation. But this is in
the realm of the military action that you certainly need to identify the
military objectives to be achieved and then push through those
objectives through military action. I wouldn't like to get into the
details of what military objectives specifically are.

     Thank you.

     [End]

     Released on October 16, 2001
"



http://www.pm.gov.uk/news.asp?NewsId=2773

"

Defeating International Terrorism: Campaign Objectives
                      [16 October 2001]

Defeating International Terrorism:
        Campaign Objectives

In a statement to the House of Commons on 16 October, the Foreign
Secretary, Jack Straw, outlined the campaign objectives of the fight
against international terrorism.

"Our overall objective is to eliminate terrorism as a force in
international affairs. There are immediate objectives relating to Usama
Bin Laden, his organisation and Afghanistan and wider objectives
relating principally to the campaign against international terrorism
more generally.

        The immediate objectives are:

to bring Usama Bin Laden and other Al Qa'ida leaders to justice;

to prevent Usama Bin Laden and the Al Qa'ida network from posing a
continuing terrorist threat;

to this end to ensure that Afghanistan ceases to harbour and sustain
international terrorism and enables us to verify that terrorist training
has ceased and that the camps where terrorists train have been
destroyed;

assuming that Mullah Omar will not comply with the US ultimatum we
require sufficient change in the leadership to ensure that Afghanistan's
links to international terrorism are broken.

The wider objectives are:

to do everything possible to eliminate the threat posed by international
terrorism;

to deter states from supporting, harbouring or acting complicitly with
international terrorist groups;

reintegration of Afghanistan as a responsible member of the
international community and an end to its self-imposed isolation.

The immediate objectives will be achieved by all available means,
including both political and military:

isolating the current Taliban regime from all international support.

unless the Taliban regime complies with the US ultimatum, taking direct
action against Usama Bin Laden, the Al Qa'ida networks and the terrorist
facilities in Afghanistan, and where necessary taking political and
military action to fragment the present Taliban regime, including
through support for Pushtoon groups opposed to the regime as well as
forces in the Northern Alliance.

providing economic and political support to Afghanistan’s neighbours to
help with the burden of this conflict.

building the widest possible international coalition, with maximum UN
support.

taking immediate steps to deal with the humanitarian crisis confronting
Afghanistan and to help neighbouring countries deal with the refugee
problem.

The wider campaign will be conducted on a broad front:

to make a step change in international efforts to change the climate in
which terrorists operate. This will be a complex campaign including
strengthening domestic legislation and national capabilities and working
through the United Nations, European Union and G8 to cut off the
terrorists' funds and make it easier to trace terrorists and bring them
to justice;

reconstruction of Afghanistan. Realistically it will be difficult for
this to start until there is a secure environment within Afghanistan.
But a programme of emergency relief will have to be available early. The
cost of reconstructing Bosnia was $5bn and Afghanistan has four times
Bosnia's population.

Reconstruction of Afghanistan could take 5-10 years to complete. Only
sustained international development effort has any chance of ridding
Afghanistan of heroin and domination of war lords;

assisting Afghanistan, including through the United Nations, to
establish a broadly based government representative of all groups in the
country.

a positive political agenda of engagement with Arab countries and the
Islamic world.

a strategy to deal with the wide number of sometimes small groups of
terrorists who flourish in states across the world and the linkages
between them. This will include sustained pressure on those states that
aid and abet terrorism. Where states are powerless to put a stop to
terrorism on their territory assistance will have to be made available.
Where states are unwilling to take effective action they will face a
vigorous response from the wider international community.

renewed efforts to resolve the conflicts which are among the underlying
causes of terrorism; and renewed efforts to bear down on Weapons of Mass
Destruction proliferation.

Any action taken to achieve our objectives will need to be in conformity
with international law, including the UN Charter and international
humanitarian law."

"

Als dit o.a. onderdeel vormt van de realiteit waar we voor staan, heeft
D66 dan ook mogelijkheden om van hieruit een beleid te voeren?
Of zijn we zo pacifistisch ingesteld dat we bij voorbaat als vijfde wiel
aan de wagen gaan hangen, zelfs dan als we nog geen deelnemer zijn?

Henk Elegeert

> 1.      We hebben geen flauw idee hoe effectief de bombardementen zijn;

Wij doen ook niet mee.

> Helpen we een
> criminele drugsmaffia die zich Noordelijke Alliantie noemt aan de macht,
> zoals we in Kosovo een andere maffia in net zadel hielpen?

Wij doen (nog) niet mee, maar we kunnen ook de huidige drugsmaffia daar
aan de macht houden.
Zullen we proberen Kosovo buiten beschouwing te laten en ons tot deze
zaak te beperken, gezien de complexiteit?

> 3.      Er dreigen, volgens de UNICEF, meer dan 100.000 Afghaanse kinderen
> te gaan sterven deze winter;

Met dank aan de wereldgemeenschap die lijdzaam toekeek hoe zich een
dergelijk drama kon voltrekken door een regime die het schenden van
mensenrechten hoger op haar prioriteiten lijstje had/heeft staan.
Ik heb werkelijk geen enkele aanwijzing dat dat al niet op het punt
stond te gebeuren, in tegendeel.
Dat walgelijk regime weet ook hoe je burgers kunt laten gehoorzamen als
je over hun voedsel kunt beschikken.

> 4.      Een Rode Kruisgebouw met hulpgoederen is goeddeels vernietigd;

In welk ander land zouden die aanwezig zijn geweest zonder directe
noodzaak?
Wat zegt dat over het huidige regime?

> 5.      Een VN-gebouw is gebombardeerd;
> 6.      Er vallen meerdere burgerslachtoffers. Aantallen zijn niet bekend.

Die vielen er al in de vorm van Afghanen die zich niet wilden
conformeren aan het Taliban bewind.
Daarnaast ook in de (burger)oorlog (al 10 jaar) die nog steeds gaande
is/was en waarom maken we ons er nu wel druk om?

> 7.      Ettelijke miljoenen Afghanen zijn op de vlucht en leven onder
> erbarmelijke omstandigheden aan de rand van hun land;

Ook in de (burger)oorlog (al 10 jaar) die nog steeds gaande is/was en
waarom maken we ons er nu wel druk om?

> 8.      Het front heeft zich verplaatst naar de USA zelf: de miltvuur
> aanvallen verhevigen zich, de terroristen zijn kennelijk bij lange na niet
> verslagen;

We weten niet wie de daders zijn.
Ook in dit land lopen er dwazen rond. Kunnen die niet voor het
International Criminal Court (ICC) worden gebracht? Want overtreden zij
hier niet de regels m.b.t. terrorisme?
Of reageren we hier even arbitrair en doen we net of dat niet in het
verlengende plaatsvindt van de terreurdaden namelijk het creëren van
angst en/of doodsdreiging?

> 9.      Over Bin Laden weten we niets: waar zit hij, hoe sterk is zijn
> organisatie nog, werkt het El Queida netwerk nog, etc.;

Bin Laden wordt verantwoordelijk gehouden voor diverse aanslagen.
Journalisten kunnen niet vrij bewegen in het land.

> 10.     In vele Islamitische landen verhevigen zich de antigeallieerden
> protesten. Er ontstaat een zichtbare kloof tussen regeringen en
> geregeerden. Pakistan is het duidelijkste voorbeeld.

Ik kan daar, naast de gebruikelijke propaganda, geen aanwijzingen voor
vinden.
In tegendeel, de bovenstaande persconferentie spreekt zelfs tegen dat er
een kloof ontstaat.

11 t/m 17

Ik deel in belangrijke mate je zorgen, en zeker ook waar het de
aankomende schending van Privacy betreft.
Het kan ook niet zo zijn dat een telecomraad zich gaat uitspreken over
dergelijke grond- en mensenrechten. En al helemaal niet met een
staatssecretaris die daar niet over hoort te gaan.

Echter, ik vind dat er teveel de nadruk op komt te liggen op een oorlog
waar we niet aan deelnemen en waar we zeker geen behoorlijk alternatief
kunnen laten horen.
Veelal door gebrekkige informatie waarvan we ons bedienen, of een
grondige analyse van de situatie in de verschillende verbanden en wat we
daarin wel zouden kunnen betekenen.
Waar ik het minst in zie is het ageren tegen een oorlog die allang
gaande is en waarin we geen deelnemer zijn. En ja, het is verwerpelijk,
welke oorlog niet?! Maar hebben wij nog een keuze te maken? Zal die
oorlog niet doorgaan zonder een wereldwijde of gebroken coalitie, zeker
nu die reeds gaande is?
Het *nu* eenmaal ingang gezette proces moet *nu* een zo gunstig
mogelijke uitslag krijgen en kunnen we daar *nu* iets in betekenen?

En wat gaan we doen in de richting van de VN?
- Waar heeft het (wederom) gefaald?
- Was het regime (Taliban) een gekozen regime?
- Hield het zich aan de Internationale rechtsorde?
- Werden de Mensenrechten geëerbiedigd?

Wat staat de VS in de weg om het International Criminal Court (ICC) te
aanvaarden, en/maar vooral hoe krijgen we hen zover?

Henk Elegeert

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