20.000 euro per NL-er t.b.v. de banken

Tue Oct 14 11:16:32 CEST 2008

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Confidence, Henk,

 Confidence, Confidence, Confidence, Confidence ;)

http://www.c-span.org/video_rss.aspx?MediaID=38655

http://www.blinkx.com/video/markets-surge-after-bank-bail-outs/HKsT3eusk-d9SNUWv3kzuw

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/09/10/2008/almunia-defends-eu-financial-crisis-response/
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Difficult times for Europe's Commissioner for Economic and Monetary
Affairs. Spain's Joaquín Almunia is being tested by the financial
crisis, as are Europe's strict economic rules. In addition EU member
states are eager to assert their own strategies in the current
financial climate.

Sergio Cantone/Brussels Correspondent, euronews: Commissioner, welcome
to euronews: ''The co-ordinated decision taken by central banks,
including the European Central Bank and the US Federal Reserve, to cut
interest rates — what does this mean for Europe and the world?''

Joaquin Almunia/EU Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs:
''Well, it's supposed to relieve the stress being felt in the
financial markets, and I hope the markets will respond to the move
positively. Moreover, the coordination among the world's most
important central banks is good news. It's a good sign for the market,
and also a good example of governments improving their coordination.''

euronews: ''Wouldn't it have been better to be proactive rather than
reactive, to have acted before the crisis got to this point?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''There was a very low estimation of the real risks
that pushed many investors to take chances beyond any reasonable
level, because of the low level of interest rates before 2007. At this
stage in the crisis the measures adopted by the central banks are
supposed to relieve the market and ease the difficulties felt by the
principal players.''

euronews: ''Is a rate cut a good idea at the moment considering the
state of the global economy?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''At this stage it is essential to undertake a
recapitalisation of the financial institutions, to allow those
entities that have enough capital to resume their normal credit
operations. It is also essential to create confidence among financial
institutions, to put the inter-banking market back on track. Restoring
confidence will lead to normalisation.''

euronews: ''One idea has been to recapitalise the banks by creating a
common European fund. Is that a possibility?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''There are proposals for coordinated action between
European governments to create funds at national level, and we
discussed them in the last Ecofin council. But, nobody has talked
about a European fund.''

euronews: ''But aren't some countries pushing for this?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''Some people have interpreted the proposal made by
the Netherlands and other governments as an attempt to create a
centralised fund here in Brussels. But nobody made a proposal as
such.''

euronews: ''Would the creation of a single European fund with its own
authority be a good idea?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''Let's be clear. We have to be realistic it's no
time for utopia. Each country allotting public or private resources is
the most realistic proposal. If it's co-ordinated it will increase the
confidence among financial institutions that operate in a single
market like the inter-banking one.''

euronews: ''And savers deposits? What would you say to those people
afraid of losing their savings?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''Nobody will lose their savings, really. There are
some financial institutions that have a few problems, but thanks to
public money or to the take over of public and private institutions
nobody has lost their deposit.''

euronews: ''Is there enough money to guarantee all savers' deposits at
a national level?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''There are enough instruments in place to avoid any
financial institutions falling into a crisis like the Lehman Brothers
in the USA. In Europe, we don't want that scenario and and there won't
be a Lehman Brothers case. There won't be a bank which will go
bankrupt or disappear. That won't happen.''

euronews: ''Why haven't the markets reacted to the measures taken by
the central banks around the world?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''There's a deep lack of confidence amongst financial
institutions, because of a lack of transparency. And every financial
institution fears that the other banks that want to borrow their money
are in a worse situation than themselves. Financial markets are built
on confidence.''

euronews: ''Do you expect finance to play less of a role in the future
than it does now?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''What we don't need is for the logic of financial
activities to lose contact with reality, lose perception of the risks
and forget what actually brings in capital to allow such operations.''

euronews: ''Doesn't the huge injection of money by member states
jeopardise the European Stability Pact?''

Joaquin Almunia: ''The stability pact is alive and working, and it
continues to work. In 2005 when the Stability Pact was reformed, some
flexibility was put in place in case of economic slowdowns. We didn't
figure out then that we would have to go through such a difficult
phase. Yet, the flexibility will be useful, because I know that some
public deficits will grow, in some cases it is already happening. But
I can tell you that there is a general consensus on the need to stick
to the rules of budgetary discipline set out in the pact. It was
reiterated in the last Ecofin council and also a few days ago at the
Paris summit by the heads of state and their governments.''
"

See, Confidence ;)

Henk Elegeert

Op 14 oktober 2008 01:03 heeft Henk Vreekamp <vreekamp at knoware.nl> het
volgende geschreven:
> REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
>
> Ik moet nog steeds horen of je de neolib afzweert.
>
> Die 200 miljard wordt trouwens eventueel geleend (naar behoefte van de
> boevenbankjes) en komt alleen als alles faalt op rekening van de
> belastingbetaler en groeiende staatsschuld. Op die manier probeert Woutertje
> Bos (PvdA) de dreigende extra inflatie af te remmen. Als ik onze
> volksdagbladen VK en NRCH mag geloven.
>
> In de kist met die neolibs...
>
> Je eenvoudige linksliberaal die een gemengde economie aanhangt zonder de
> woeste vermarkting van de laatste 20 jaar en andere aanstellerij van
> politiek-correcte ambtenaren van allerlei leeftijdsklassen, waaronder veel
> D66-stemmers.
> hv,u
> -----
>
> At 20:23 10/13/2008 +0200, Fritz van Rikxoort wrote:
>>
>> REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
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>> Ja het omslagpunt is vandaag wel bereikt:
>>
>> 250 miljard t.b.v. de banken,
>> dat is 20.000 euro per volwassen Nederlander,
>>
>> ofwel het bedrag dat gegarandeerd was per bank/rekeninghouder,
>>
>> de rollen zijn nu helemaal omgedraaid...
>>
>> Fritz van Rikxoort
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-d66 at NIC.SURFNET.NL [mailto:owner-d66 at NIC.SURFNET.NL] On Behalf
>> Of Martijn Meijering
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:59 PM
>> To: Fritz van Rikxoort
>> Cc: 'd66'
>> Subject: RE: Bert zeg er eens wat van...
>>
>> REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
>>
>> > De babyboomers die hun overtollige mede op onze belastingkosten geleende
>> > gelden in IJsland of elders tegen hoge rendementen goklustig hebben
>> > belegd,
>> > hebben op onze kosten wel alweer de tergubetaling van hun vergokte
>> > gelden
>> > van hun ouwe trouwe Pufda-kabouter binnen.
>>
>> Ja inderdaad, we zijn er dan ook nog lang niet. Maar we zijn volgens mij
>> zo langzamerhand wel op het omslagpunt terechtgekomen waarop de boomers en
>> de volgende generaties elkaar in evenwicht houden. Dat verklaart volgens
>> mij ook de terugloop van de grote partijen. De boomers zijn nog heel
>> machtig, maar dat zal met elk jaar afnemen, eerst heel langzaam, maar elk
>> jaar iets sneller. Althans, dat is wat ik denk.
>>
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