The Question of American Guilt

[Da Prinz]

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Met alle soorten van genoegen. Ik heb hier de engelse
versie van Plato's REPUBLIC
in part 7 book 6 The Philosophers Ruler
Par.6 The Divided line..
Par 7 is The simile of the Cave.
De simile 'hoort' bij de Divided line voor beter
begrip..

The Line:
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/rhatch/HIS-SCI-STUDY-GUIDE/0019_platoDividedLine.html

The Cave:
http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm

DaPrinz

--- Henk Vreekamp <vreekamp at knoware.nl> wrote:

> REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
>
> Het voordeel van vette calvinisten is, ps. Lenny
> Bruce / Da Prinz, dat ze
> lekker spetteren aan het spit, terwijl droge
> conservatieven slechts even
> opflakkeren.
>
> Terzijde, kun je me de citaatplaats van Plato even
> duiden? Ik wil het hele
> fragment wel eens lezen.
>
> hv,u
> ------
>
> At 18:07 14-3-05 -0800, you wrote:
> >REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
> >
> >Scherpe analyse.
> >En een feitelijk correct artikel.
> >Hetzelfde geldt overigens,in andere vorm, voor de
> >islam.
> >Opinie(doxa) gebaseerd op Illusie(eikasia) en
> >Geloof(pistis)is de laagste vorm van kennis in
> Plato's
> >kennislijn. Die zag dat toen al scherp.
> >The more things change the more they stay the same.
> >BTW
> >Bill Moyers is een Liberaal, dit in tegenstelling
> tot
> >Hoogervorst die zich in het Buitenhof profileerde
> als
> >"een echte liberaal" door het instellen van een
> >Vet-straf als je te zwaar bent.
> >Das niet Liberaal das Calvinistisch.
> >
> >Da Prinz 9wel met een Z nu)
> >
> >--- Antid Oto <antidoto at home.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > REPLY TO: D66 at nic.surfnet.nl
> > >
> > > http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia03122005.html
> > >
> > > "Rebellion is a Protest Against Death"
> > >
> > > The Question of American Guilt
> > >
> > > By MANUAL GARCÍA, Jr.
> > >
> > > "The delusional is no longer marginal, but has
> come
> > > in from
> > > the fringe to influence the seats of power. We
> are
> > > witnessing today a coupling of ideology and
> theology
> > > that
> > > threatens our ability to meet the growing
> ecological
> > > crisis.
> > > Theology asserts propositions that need not be
> > > proven true,
> > > while ideologues hold stoutly to a world view
> > > despite being
> > > contradicted by what is generally accepted as
> > > reality. The
> > > combination can make it impossible for a
> democracy
> > > to
> > > fashion real-world solutions to otherwise
> > > intractable
> > > challenges." So writes Bill Moyers in the
> current
> > > issue of
> > > the New York Review of Books. (1)
> > >
> > > Moyers describes how the anticipation of
> "rapture"
> > > -- the
> > > belief in a cataclysmic Armageddon separating
> the
> > > "saved"
> > > from the "damned" as described in the Book of
> > > Revelations --
> > > trumps any environmental or even rational
> concern,
> > > for a
> > > large number of evangelical American Christians.
> A
> > > separate
> > > news story about evangelical Christians who have
> > > awakened to
> > > environmental reality only underscores Moyers'
> > > point, since
> > > green evangelicals seem to be a minority. (2)
> > >
> > > What is going on? We are losing our minds
> because we
> > > are
> > > clinging to power.
> > >
> > >      "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power
> > > corrupts
> > > absolutely."
> > >
> > >      -- Lord Acton (John Emerich Edward
> > > Dalberg-Acton,
> > > 1834-1902), in a letter to Bishop Mandell
> Creighton
> > > of 5
> > > April 1887.
> > >
> > >      "Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first
> > > makes mad."
> > >
> > >      -- Euripides (c. 485-406 B.C.), a fragment.
> > >
> > > Today, America wields what many see as absolute
> > > power, hence
> > > we Americans must be corrupting absolutely. It
> is
> > > easy to
> > > see this in the intentionally engineered
> physical
> > > manifestations of the decay of our social
> > > consciousness and
> > > sense of commons. For example, we are at war
> with
> > > the entire
> > > concept of public education because we are at
> war
> > > with any
> > > idea of contributing resources into a socialism
> that
> > >
> > > breeches our tribal and class barriers.
> > >
> > > What may not be appreciated is that corruption
> by
> > > power will
> > > also include the decay of our mental faculties
> --
> > > our
> > > sanity. Unrestrained power is psychotic.
> Psychosis
> > > is
> > > detachment from reality. Much of our national
> > > psychosis is
> > > expressed with religiosity (as opposed to
> religion
> > > and
> > > religiousness).
> > >
> > > "Rapture" is just a psychotic raving that like
> water
> > > in
> > > rapids mounds over hidden rocks indicating a
> deeper
> > > truth:
> > > reality is ultimately fatal to all psychosis.
> This
> > > does not
> > > mean cure, simply that objective nature does not
> > > allow
> > > unrestrained psychotics to survive. Restraint is
> > > social
> > > interaction, the recognition of "the other" -- a
> > > recognition
> > > basic to sanity.
> > >
> > > The psychotic on the streets dies of exposure or
> the
> > >
> > > assaults of society unless taken into its care,
> > > whether
> > > benign or pharmaceutical or judicial. The
> psychotic
> > > nation
> > > similarly dies starved of any connection to a
> world
> > > community -- perhaps a North Korea -- or must be
> put
> > > down
> > > like Nazi Germany because its frenzied thrashing
> > > wrecks
> > > havoc on too many others, frightening them with
> the
> > > prospect
> > > of losing all life and liberty.
> > >
> > > The ultimate rapture of US power may come soon
> or
> > > beyond our
> > > lifetimes. The great conflagration consuming
> all,
> > > anticipated by the evangelical psychosis, may
> appear
> > > as an
> > > environmental collapse, an abrupt climate change
> > > triggered
>
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