<div>CC: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="mailto:cie.def@tweedekamer.nl">cie.def@tweedekamer.nl</a></span></div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div>Geachte griffier,</div><div> </div><div>wilt u ook dit e-mail bericht doen toekomen aan de Vaste Kamercommissie Defensie?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Bij voorbaat hartelijk dank,</div></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div> Beste dames en heren / Micha,</div></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">Die: '<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; ">berichtgeving van de wereldwijde socialisten is werkelijk schokkend. (zie onder)', komt in feite toch van social-listen, en niet van humane socialisten ?!! </span></font></div>
<div><br></div><div>De stad Sirte, hoe afschuwelijk/droevig ook, is toch het rechtstreekse gevolg van het in- en intriest optreden van het verschrikkelijke regime dat op het punt staat te vallen / eigenlijk allang niet meer bestaat, maar dat kennelijk kans gezien heeft om het ultieme drama - als het aan hen ligt - zich in volle omvang, en in alle verschrikking, hier te laten doen plaatsvinden!!? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Niet als gevolg van optreden van anderen, immers men kreeg, en krijgt tijd (genoeg?) om zich bij het -inmiddels- onvermijdelijke, neer te leggen, en te kiezen voor een(/de nu enige) uitweg / ruimte om *werkelijk* in vrijheid te (gaan) leven !!?!. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Het zijn toch uitgerekend die zgn. comrade's die zichzelf (en anderen, helaas) in deze (volstrekt) uitzichtloze positie hebben weten te brengen/manoeuvreren, en dat bovendien als direct gevolg ook van hun eigen (gemaakte) - overigens onnavolgbare - manier van denken?!! In niets ontzien, ook anderen - vele vele onschuldigen / gegijzelden - in hun dwaasheid, en de gevolgen daarvan, mee nemende ?!! </div>
<div><br></div><div>Ik wil desnoods die doldwaze Oto's en O'Connors's zelf wel naar Sirte (op een paar km na, uiteraard) brengen, als ze daar zo nodig mee willen gaan vechten, maar laat hun valselijke (zeer inhumane) oproepen vooral geen ingang - hoelang is die (killer) Lenin eigenlijk al niet dood? - vinden, en laat vooral dergelijke ellende nu niet nog (veel) langer doorgaan. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Tuurlijk, de stad moet bevrijdt: alles zo humaan als maar enigszins mogelijk is. Helaas zitten in de stad al verschillende doldwaze Oto's en O'Connors's, en andere Gaddafie's ... die, en dat vooral, anderen *hun* vrijheid niet (weten te) gunnen.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Henk Elegeert</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/3 M. Kuiper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kuiper@knoware.nl">kuiper@knoware.nl</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Geachte griffier,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>wilt u mijn e-mail bericht doorzenden aan de Vaste Kammercommissie Defensie?</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Geachte dames en heren,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>ik lees dat u meevergadert over Nederlandse deelname aan vredesmissies.</div>
<div>De oorlog in Lybië schijnt mij geen vredesmissie toe.</div>
<div>Ik zou graag zien dat Nederland alle steun aan de NATO in deze stopzet.</div>
<div>De NATO draagt bij aan een staatsgreep, waarbij het oude regime zeker verwerpelijk is maar het</div>
<div>nieuwe misschien evengoed verwerpelijk.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>In het bijzonder wil ik uw aandacht vragen voor de stad Sirte.</div>
<div>De BBC rapporteert nog met ingehouden kritiek, </div>
<div><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12885322" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12885322</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>maar de berichtgeving van de wereldwijde socialisten is werkelijk schokkend. (zie onder)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regime verandering zou mijns inziens bereikt kunnen worden met een international olie-boycot, </div>
<div>gesanctioneerd door de Verenigde Naties, zonder een druppel bloed te vergieten.</div>
<div>Dit zou met diplomatie opgelost kunnen worden.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Als de politieke wil er is.</div>
<div>En als die er niet is, moeten we vragen waarom.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Het platbombarderen van burgers om ze te bevrijden is een beschaafd land onwaardig.</div>
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<div>:(</div>
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<div>Ik zie uit naar uw reactie.</div>
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<div><br>hoogachtend,</div>
<div>M. Kuiper</div><font color="#888888">
<div>Egmond aan den Hoef<br></div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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<div class="gmail_quote">Date: 3 October 2011 08:15<br>Subject: [D66] The slaughter in Sirte<br>To: informele D66 discussielijst <<a href="mailto:d66@tuxtown.net" target="_blank">d66@tuxtown.net</a>><br><br><br>The slaughter in Sirte<br>
3 October 2011<br><br>NATO countries led by the US, Britain, and France are committing terrible war<br>crimes in the Libyan city of Sirte. In their frenzied drive to crush all<br>remaining resistance in the North African state, NATO and its proxy militia<br>
forces aligned with the National Transitional Council are unleashing<br>indiscriminate military force, killing civilians and destroying buildings and<br>infrastructure throughout the urban centre.<br><br>Numerous civilian refugees who have managed to escape the siege have reported<br>
seeing schools, hospitals, homes, and other civilian buildings destroyed by NATO<br>bombs. Air raids are now taking place around the clock. Anti-Gaddafi militiamen<br>are firing rockets, mortar rounds and tank shells, without even pretending that<br>
they are aiming at any particular targets within the city of 100,000 people.<br>Sirte is suffering from severe shortages of food, water and medicine supplies,<br>further fuelling the humanitarian crisis. Children, the elderly and other<br>
vulnerable people are especially affected.<br><br>The violence underscores the predatory economic and geostrategic calculations<br>behind the regime-change campaign spearheaded by US President Barack Obama,<br>French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron.<br>
Washington and its European allies aim to seize control of Libya’s lucrative oil<br>reserves, at the same time reasserting their dominance in North Africa and<br>countering the challenge posed to their interests by the revolutionary uprisings<br>
in neighbouring Egypt and Tunisia.<br><br>The slaughter in Sirte further exposes the “humanitarian” pretext for the war.<br>Last March the imperialist governments and their mouthpieces in the media<br>claimed, without evidence, that Gaddafi’s forces were on the verge of committing<br>
a massacre in Benghazi. Now in Sirte, NATO is perpetrating an actual bloodbath<br>on the city’s population in an attempt to overcome the resistance in one of the<br>last pro-Gaddafi strongholds.<br><br>Unsurprisingly, the various media pundits and political figures in the US and<br>
Europe who backed the war on the basis of “protecting civilians”—including<br>various so-called “lefts” such as Professor Juan Cole and the Nation<br>magazine—are now uniformly silent amid the unfolding slaughter.<br><br>
According to estimates previously released by the National Transitional Council<br>(NTC), by early September 30,000 people had been killed and 50,000 wounded in<br>the war. The toll continues to escalate. According to NATO’s publicly released<br>
figures, their bombers recorded 121 separate “key hits” in Sirte in the last two<br>weeks of September alone. These air strikes are being conducted on the basis of<br>limited or no intelligence and therefore can only be described as indiscriminate<br>
and in blatant contravention of international law.<br><br>Tens of thousands of civilians remain trapped in Sirte, though the exact number<br>remains unclear. According to the Red Cross, about 18,000 have left the city.<br>
The local population, however, has been swelled by a recent influx of refugees<br>from surrounding areas. This includes a significant number of dark-skinned<br>Libyan families from Tawargha, a town that has been devastated and depopulated<br>
by the NTC militias that conducted a murderous racist pogrom there in August and<br>early September.<br><br>The people of Sirte are being subjected to a brutal collective punishment for<br>their bitter and determined opposition to the NTC and the NATO intervention. The<br>
city is also symbolically identified with the deposed regime. It is Gaddafi’s<br>birthplace and childhood home, and his former legislative body, the General<br>Peoples Congress, convened in Sirte.<br><br>For the US, British, and French governments, the destruction serves as a warning<br>
to the entire Libyan population—any resistance to the post-Gaddafi order that is<br>to be established under NATO auspices will confront violent repression.<br><br>There is a definite parallel between the situation in Sirte and the brutal US<br>
offensive in the Iraqi city of Fallujah during November-December 2004. About<br>10,000 US troops and marines levelled the city of 250,000 people,<br>indiscriminately bombing homes, factories and mosques. The operation was<br>
intended to crush the Sunni insurgency against the illegal occupation by<br>terrorising the entire Iraqi people. As is now the case in Sirte, the fighting<br>in Fallujah was less a war or battle than it was an outright massacre, with a<br>
vastly outnumbered and lightly armed group of resistance fighters overcome by<br>the world’s most destructive and technologically advanced ground and air forces.<br><br>NATO’s conduct of the war in Libya during what appears to be its final stages is<br>
also undoubtedly intended to send a signal to governments throughout the Middle<br>East and internationally. In March, Sarkozy made this clear in no uncertain<br>terms, declaring: “Every ruler should understand, and especially every Arab<br>
ruler should understand, that the reaction of the international community and of<br>Europe will from this moment on each time be the same.”<br><br>Exactly one hundred years ago, on October 3, 1911, Italian forces began a naval<br>
bombardment of Tripoli, as part of their drive to annexe the Ottoman provinces<br>of Tripolitania, Fezzna and Cyrenaica, which constitute present-day Libya. The<br>Italian campaign quickly extended from an assault on the Ottoman military forces<br>
to a campaign of indiscriminate reprisal attacks and massacres against the local<br>population who rose up against the colonial forces. The Italo-Turkish war, which<br>ended in October 1912, featured a one-sided utilisation of modern military<br>
technology, including the world’s first aerial reconnaissance flights and<br>bombing raids.<br><br>Lenin described the war as a “perfected, civilised bloodbath.”<br><br>None of these words would need to be revised to describe what is now unfolding<br>
in Libya. The re-emergence of nakedly colonial-style operations in the<br>twenty-first century is an expression of the deepening crisis of the world<br>capitalist order. The American ruling elite desperately seeks to use its<br>
military dominance as a means of offsetting its rapidly eroding economic<br>position. At the same time, the European imperialist powers see an opportunity<br>to regain lost influence in their former colonies, opening up new export markets<br>
and securing access to lucrative natural resources.<br><br>Even before the fighting has finished, various politicians and accompanying<br>corporate bagmen from the US and Europe have rushed to Tripoli. Everyone is<br>scrambling to secure their cut, above all of the North African state’s enormous<br>
oil reserves—recently described by the US ambassador there as the Libyan “jewel<br>in the crown.”<br><br>As in the period prior to 1914, humanity confronts a descent into imperialist<br>barbarism. A struggle against war and militarism requires the building of an<br>
independent political movement of the working class based on a socialist and<br>internationalist program to abolish the profit system.<br><br>Patrick O’Connor<br><br><a href="http://wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/pers-o03.shtml" target="_blank">http://wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/pers-o03.shtml</a><br>
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