De echte reden voor de achteruitgang van D66

[dirkie]

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Tja Martin je schijnt te lijden aan het D66 syndrome.
Je haalt niet aan elkaar gerelateerde dingen door
elkaar.
Waar ging in het in deze discussie over de Islam?
Het ging over burgervaders, d66 en het falen van de
partij. Nergens ben ik daar de Islam in tegengekomen.

Het enige dat ik daaop zou willen zeggen is dat onze
Wilders wat extremer zijn, speciaal de Bush
neo-cons...

Als je dit soort red herring "discussie techniek"
hanteert moet je "met je handen in de poep gaan slaan"
zei mijn schoonvader zaliger altijd!

Als ik naar je domein kijk "d66gelderland.nl" dan kan
ik me best voorstellen dat je je aangesproken voelt...
Helaas veranderd dat de feiten niet!

sjeez loewies
dirkie

--- Martin Lentink <martinlentink at d66gelderland.nl>
wrote:

> dirkie schreef:
> > Dat Martin is een heel andere discussie...
> > How about en/en?
> >
> > Niet slechts een gekozen burgervader:(, maar vele
> > bestuursfuncties zouden verkozen moeten worden in
> > NEEderland.
> > Frisse luft inplaats van de ambtenarenkultuur,
> alla
> > (ik durf het bijna niet te zeggen) de USA
> >
> > zou het toch de zon zijn?
> >
> > --- Martin Lentink
> <martinlentink at d66gelderland.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> <...>
>
> Wouldn't it be nice....
> Maar ik denk dat Dirkie een beetje out-of-touch is
> met de NL reality.
> En met de reality in amerikaland ook trouwens. Zo
> zonnig is het in de US
> of A nou ook weer niet, en Nederland gaat onder de
> Verdonken en
> Wildersen hard de bondgenoot achterna, zo blijkt uit
> onderstaand artikel:
>
>
> ---
> In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep
> By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent  Fri Dec
> 1, 9:05 AM ET
> WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein
> suggested that all
> Muslims in the United States should be identified
> with a crescent-shape
> tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines
> jammed instantly.
> The first caller to the station in Washington said
> that Klein must be
> "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and
> added: "Not only do
> you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but
> you ship them out of
> this country ... they are here to kill us."
> Another said that tattoos, armbands and other
> identifying markers such
> as crescent marks on driver's licenses, passports
> and birth certificates
> did not go far enough. "What good is identifying
> them?" he asked. "You
> have to set up encampments like during World War Two
> with the Japanese
> and Germans."
> At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments
> on why visual
> identification of "the threat in our midst" would
> alleviate the public's
> fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It
> drew out reactions
> that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.
> "I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have
> agreed for one
> second with anything I said," he told his audience
> on the AM station 630
> WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers
> Washington, Northern Virginia
> and Maryland
> "For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people's
> bodies, have them wear
> armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver's
> license on their
> passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It's
> beyond disgusting.
> "Because basically what you just did was show me how
> the German people
> allowed what happened to the Jews to happen ... We
> need to separate
> them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make
> them wear the yellow
> Star of David, we need to put them in concentration
> camps, we basically
> just need to kill them all because they are
> dangerous."
> The show aired on November 26, the Sunday after the
> Thanksgiving
> holiday, and Klein said in an interview afterwards
> he had been surprised
> by the response.
> "The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed
> within minutes," said
> Klein. "There were plenty of callers angry with me,
> but there were
> plenty who agreed."
>
> POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT
> Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A
> Gallup poll this summer
> of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent
> were in favor of
> requiring Muslims in the United States, including
> American citizens, to
> carry special identification.
> Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would
> not want to live next
> door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in
> the United States
> sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group
> behind the September 11,
> 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.
> A poll carried out by the Council on
> American-Islamic Relations (CAIR),
> an advocacy group, found that for one in three
> Americans, the word Islam
> triggers negative connotations such as "war,"
> "hatred" and "terrorist."
> The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions.
> Klein's show followed a week of heated discussions
> on talk radio,
> including his own, and online forums over an
> incident on November 22
> involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed
> and taken off a US
> Airways flight after passengers reported "suspicious
> behavior" that
> included praying in the departure gate area.
> The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North
> American Imams
> Federation, were detained in a holding cell,
> questioned by police and
> FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders
> saw the incident as
> yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice.
>
> IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM
> Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject
> of prejudice over
> the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of
> the problem.
> "The level of knowledge is very, very low," said
> Mohamed Esa, a U.S.
> Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam
> at McDaniel College
> in Maryland. "There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the
> world and some people
> think they are all terrorists."
> Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel
> who occasionally leads
> prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at
> the Pentagon,
> agreed. "Ignorance is the number one problem.
> Education is of the essence."
> There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have
> been subject to
> harassment or prejudice and community leaders say
> that ugly incidents
> can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such
> as the e-mail a
> Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were
> taken off their flight.
> "I would like to ... help," the e-mail said. "While
> I cannot offer plane
> tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3
> of them. My car is
> small, but at least some of our hearts in this land
> of the free are large."
> And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4
> election of the
> first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives,
> which has 435 members.
> Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old
> African-American lawyer, did not
> stress his religion during his campaign for a
> Minnesota seat, but said
> his victory would "signal to people who are not
> Muslims that Muslims
> have a lot to offer to the United States and the
> improvement of our
> country."
> ---
>
> met vriendelijke groeten,
>
>
> Martin Lentink
>




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